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After all, Grey Hulk isn't the dumb brute Tony is accustomed to fighting, as shown here.

Now onto durability, this is where Grey Hulk surely has an edge.

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Unfortunately for him, so can Iron Man's.

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Aquaman, I can say that fore sure.

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Grey Hulk won't be able to penetrate.

In the 2nd page, we see IM (with the aid of Widow), tearing off a missile silo door.

No problem at all man, I appreciate the considerate notif.

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On that note, it didn't really seem that Simon was having as hard a time with the pyramid as you implied.

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There are some classic feats that are still relevant today, but this one comes across like a product of its time.

Another thing to factor is that with his mission control support, the boost can happen within moments.

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Whatever the case, I was just clarifying that Wonder Man wasn't KOed by Grey Hulk's hit.

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I'll respond to the rest of your points later, but feel free to make counter arguments to these now.

Well, that what I would be doing if I were able to upload images.

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Dude I'm impressed with your time management.

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Side note: If you're wondering why Cyclops' beam was able to vaporize Logan's lower half, it's because Ultimate Cyclops' blasts do release heat (As evidenced when he lit candles with his eyes, or burned off Ultimate Proteus' skin).

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The High Evolutionary's laser one is alright, though I'm uncertain of its capabilities.

I'll get back to you first thing in the morning, dudeski.

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That easily puts Ultimate Iron Man's base strength at a good initial advantage.

So, while Grey Hulk's stats can only improve the longer the fight goes on, Iron Man's power supply will only go down.

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In addition to that, Tony's armor is also relatively durable to superhuman blows.

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Tony's shields are obviously quite strong and Hulk would be hard pressed to get through them Tony cannot attack and shield himself at the same time, right?

But let's have a look through the feats you posted.

For all we know, he simply didn't rejoin the battle in time because he could only travel so fast (as he appears to have been BFRed a good distance away).

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True, while Tony could easily avoid him, Banner could throw an object, forcing Tony to dodge a certain way then leap at him.

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Earth and not taking damage?

But as you pointed out, Grey Hulk's strength also increases overtime.

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On a whole, Ultimate Iron Man has shown greater feats of strength (lifting a submarine, commercial airplane, ballistic missiles) than Grey Hulk.

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Anyway, dude, I got both Injustice and GTA 5 for my birthday and haven't got the chance to play them, so, I do not at all mean to be rude, but I hope it's OK if I respond tomorrow.

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Thing, Sampson (a 70 tonner) and shrugged off an assault by Hr Hyde.

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I'm not suggesting that Tony's repulsors would permanently put down Grey Hulk, but if you compare their destructive capacity in small blasts to a larger barrage?

Returning back to Ultimate Iron Man's strength level, I want to reiterate that Tony begins with a higher base strength level than Grey Hulk, and is able to boost that to even higher levels at an even faster rate.

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Friday here, so I'll be fully able to respond to you without distraction.

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Based on the pyramid feat, Grey Hulk is clearly somewhere on that level too.

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Iron Man's maneuverability and a bunch of other counterarguments, but I think I'll leave it at that for now.

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Learning from the veterans, eh?

The durability of 616's organs increase with the rest of his body, so he should be able to shrug off Tony's thought scramblers.

After he got beaten up by Pineapple Thing, Dr.

I'll do my best to make it worth reading.

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Despite Tony's flight advantage and obvious edge in versatility, Hulk's raw physicals will grant him victory against Tony more times then not, especially if the fight goes for a while, which it is sure to.

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It's a bit of a gaping logic hole to say that Joe's strength is on the same level as Simon's based on one (dubious) scan alone.

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So you've been juggling this with my CAV too?

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Here, he's shown creating shockwaves by striking the ground.

I've got a business comm midterm to study for anyway.

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Just to put the nail in the coffin, here is another set of scans from Ultimates 2, where Iron Man and the rest of the team disarm a nuclear missile base.

Granted, he was struggling, he's still obviously in the tens of thousands on tons strength range.

Works fine for me.

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Iron Man could stay well out of Hulk's range while being able to retaliate.

He's also shown a good deal more impressive strength feats than Joe Fixit.

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CS, (and you can tell me to bugger off) could you not quote my posts in your replies?

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Hulk's base, and significantly lower than Tony's.

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Speaking of being worth reading, I'm just about to get started on the rest of my response.

Now if a relatively minor blast can completely vaporize a human body (Logan's skeleton only survived because it was adamantium), imagine what these repulsors would do if they were fired at the volume of the earlier scan I posted.

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The force of his blows against an amped Thing destroyed 'every window in a block and a half'.

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On that note though.

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While we're on the subject, I might as well drop a scan of Iron Man ramming through a Chitauri ship.

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So that's Tony already lifting several hundred tons of weight.

Tony had just recently built the suit in that first arc, and he must have fixed its energy problems after that.

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Have a good one!

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It's only when IM uses full power to push the giant Chitauri ship that the armor actually runs out.

Tony from attacking while shielding himself, and even then, he'd only need it in melee range.

As we've already established in the submarine scan before, Tony is able to amplify his strength using his satellites.

Hulk's durability against blunt force is high, but it can be overcome.

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You could try a different browser, I guess.

KOed by Captain America.

It's not really a comparable point to make simply because fire doesn't have the same destructive potential as a repulsor.

And once more, in the next page, Wonder Man's able to toss the entire pyramid aside with ease.

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Grey Hulk straight out.

In short, you don't get strong enough, quickly enough.

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IM is more than capable of using it while attacking.

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Damn, lucky you, hope you had a good one.

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In the submarine scan, it's stated that it took 15 seconds for the download to complete.

Durability section, let's look at your feats of Grey Hulk's resilience against energy weapons.

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Plus, even if his suit were actually low on power, Tony could just as easily recharge it from the satellites.

Show Bio Good luck to the both of you!

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And true, while Wonder Man was not KO'd by Grey Hulk's strike, he was obviously still rocked by it.

And given Iron Man's strength, it's quite feasible for IM's hits to deliver some serious damage.

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In the second panel, one could argue that Silver Centurion Iron Man is only helping to lift the load out of convenience, not necessity.

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That being said, I'll keep them in mind for now.

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Wasp in the first Volume of the Ultimates that Ult Hulk's brain is pretty much the same as a regular human's and yet Tony's thought scrambers only stunned him for a moment.

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Now Grey Hulk did later beat Abomination, but only because he was bloodlusted when Betty's life was in danger.

All in all, I think Hulk has advantages in raw strength, striking power, blunt force durability (discounting shields) and his durability towards energy based attacks will hold up against Tony's repulsers.

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Impressive, though Gray Hulk has some good strength feats of his own.

He's shrugged off transmutation from Grey Gargoyle, despite the fact his transmutation has effected Thor!

It just seems like a mistake on the writer's part.

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Take your time, man, go celebrate with your ma.

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In regards to Tony's flight advantage, that is considerable.

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The charges are pretty cool though.

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PI'll get back to you in a bit.

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And Iron Man also has a wide variety of weapons that give him both the versatility and range advantages.

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Once again, as with Pineapple Thing, Joe Fixit wasn't able to get stronger in time to make a difference.

Alternately, he could simply hurl a projectile (such as a tree or a chunk of the ground) at Ult Tony.

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Hope your ma's birthday was good.

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And I'll be sure to keep an eye on this debate whilst doing our own one too.

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Considering the durability feats I've shown for Grey Hulk, he should be able to hold out long enough for his anger to ramp up, so he could break through Tony's shields and smash him.